Kara Swisher interviewed Apple CEO Tim Cook, LoveFrom Designer & Co-founder and Former Apple Chief Design Officer Sir Jony Ive, KBE, and Emerson Collective Founder and President Laurene Powell Jobs on stage at the Code Conference 2022. I particularly liked two moments from that interview.

YouTube Link — The first was when Swisher and Cook reflected on aspects of Steve Jobs’ style. She contrasted a perceived problem in tech today where executives and leaders can feel victimized when teams meet and debate points of view — when the expectation is that everyone in the room is in violent agreement and no dissent should be offered — to the way Steve lead his team; an environment that thrived on active debate.

YouTube Link — Laurene Powell Jobs commented on a trait Steve Jobs has to call people “all the time, everyday”.

Steve actually called other people all the time. Everyday he had a list of people he called and he just would ask them ‘What’s going on? What are you seeing? What are you thinking about? What are you watching?’ He would go across industry and call people who, of course, would answer the phone, and he would pick people’s brains constantly.

Here’s to picking up the phone more often.